AstonJ

AstonJ

Anyone on macOS Tahoe?

Not sure I’m going to upgrade myself yet, but curious what others think:

  • How are you finding it for dev?
  • What are your thoughts of it generally?

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dimitarvp

dimitarvp

There was an HN thread today (at least 1300 comments when I looked at it some 9 hours ago) where loads of people complained about Tahoe slowing their machines, even people with M3 Pro Macbooks.

I have not pulled the trigger on my aging Intel Mac (iMac Pro) yet but judging by iOS 26 on my iPhone 12 Pro Max, I am not an optimist. Safari became half-unusable, visual elements are appearing at the top of the page while you are scrolling down (visiting ElixirForum showed me that and gave me a good confusion), pages reload randomly, sometimes flat out disappear and you have to hard-reload, and those are only the first 3 I can think of now at 4:36 AM, there were even more.

TL;DR of mine and others’ impressions: Apple sole selling point is the polished software. Well, that seems to be gone now, further confirming my strategic decision to gradually move to Linux and take full control of all my computing.

sevenseacat

sevenseacat

Author of Ash Framework

I’ve updated both my work and personal laptop to Tahoe. It looks bloody awful IMO, but I haven’t noticed any real bugs other than visual ones.

Spotlight actually working properly for the first time ever is indeed nice!

jdiago

jdiago

Yes. Nothing broke, as far as I’ve seen.

Homebrew works. asdf works. Currently on elixir 1.18.4-otp-27 and erlang 27.3.4.3 and both are working.

edit: on a 2021 macbook pro with a m1 pro chip

AstonJ

AstonJ

Glad it’s working well on a dev/technical level :icon_biggrin:

Just watched this video:

…and the general design looks really bad :confused: such a huge waste of space - are your Safari tool and tab bars as big as they are in the video? (The vid should play at the correct spot) If they are can you make them smaller?

mindok

mindok

Yeah - I upgraded. We’re building a SwiftUI app that needs to support the new iOS version, and it forced my hand with the Mac (& iPhone). I have to say, some of the new UI elements on iOS are actually quite nice for our heavy industry focused mobile app, but could really do without the glassy effect (and yes, as Dimi says, Safari on iPhone is barely usable - e.g. now multiple non-obvious taps to change tabs. I use Firefox mostly on the iPhone now).

On the Mac the big round corners and massive title bars are a ridiculous waste of screen real estate and now the status bar on our web application gets partially chopped off by the rounding on Safari (it’s still ok on Chromium based browsers). Safari also seems to hang a lot more than it used to - I only have about 60 tabs open so don’t know what the problem could be :laughing:. I also find I need to reboot a bit more often than I used to - still about 50x longer interval than Windows, but Macs used to go weeks or even months without the UI bogging down.

I also now have audio problems (I’m on an M1 MB Pro FWIW). It turns out this has been an ongoing problem across a few versions, but only manifested for me after the upgrade. Killing any “Intel” process seems to fix the audio, but the hilarious thing is that Xcode iPhone simulators have some old Intel binary that loads the simulators, so I can’t do video calls etc while Xcode is open, and it was Xcode compatibility that forced the upgrade in the first place.

Aside from that, yeah, it’s fine. Nothing else broke that I’m aware of. Elixir works fine - compile times seem to be marginally slower - hopefully 1.19 gets us back to where it was!! There don’t seem to be any additional security checks stopping me doing anything. Photos cropping is still as annoying as ever (why do I want to crop a landscape photo into portrait aspect ratio by default??). Preview has made it a bit more fiddly to pull up the editing tools. Settings is still sluggish and the Settings search interface has somehow gotten worse (really slow - sometimes 10-15 secs for me), but not totally broken. Spotlight is allegedly smarter, but they’ve increased the delay in updating the results to ensure you pick the wrong item every time instead of just now and then (has anyone ported XTreeGold to the Mac - that seemed to be the peak for file managers).

TLDR - it’s ok, you’ll still be able to function, but I won’t be buying any Apple shares on the back of it - it’s another small step in their general decline IMO. Linux is getting better and Mac is getting worse - I’m not sure where the cross-over point is, or if we’ve passed it for web devs, but I’m certainly keeping my options open for my daily driver (i.e. everything except building Xcode projects).

EDIT: Gee - I’m sounding like a cranky old man!

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