shortlyportly

shortlyportly

Surface vs LiveView

Hi All.

I’ve started to look at Surface and it looks really good. I have a fairly complex LiveView app at the moment and I was considering tranitioning to Surface. I wondered if anyone with some experience could answer a couple of questions:

  • Are there any additional performance challenges with using Surface (above and beyond the standard LiveView ones).
  • Has anyone come across any “show stopper” with Surface?
  • Can I easily mix Surface and LiveView together (so drop down to LiveView where Surface might not be the correct answer).

Many thanks

Dave

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Malian

Malian

In addition to what @derek-zhou said, Surface comes with a lot of features that Phoenix Live View does not support (yet?). Here is a non-exhaustive list of these features:

Feel free to look at https://surface-ui.org or join the Surface slack channel for more info :slight_smile:

msaraiva

msaraiva

Broadway Core Team

Until we have a declarative API for LV (which we’re already working on), if you want compile-time checks and use features like named slots or context, you need to define a module as vanilla function components do not provide any metadata required for those features.

So my take for now is to define modules for larger components with many of props/data/slots (where compile-time checks are more valuable) and vanilla function components for either private or smaller/simpler components.

Regarding slots, the next version of Surface will replace its original custom slot implementation for the recently introduced built-in slots, so this is not going to be an issue anymore and as soon as we have a unified declarative API, there will be no more limitations as all metadata we need for most (or maybe all) of the other features will also be available.

josevalim

josevalim

Creator of Elixir

Generally speaking compiling a module with 100 functions will be faster than compiling 100 modules with one function each. This is very easy to verify yourself and you can try locally. The multiple modules version is 80-90% slower in my quick experiment. And if we are talking about a project, each module is likely a separate file, so there are more disk reads, more mtime checks, etc.

That said, I don’t think folks should generally be worried about creating modules and files. But if most of your modules are single file functions, it may be that you are having the wrong abstraction.

msaraiva

msaraiva

Broadway Core Team

Yes. It will use Phoenix.Component for sure. Using the same abstractions means you’ll be able to write components using Surface or HEEx and use them in any LV project. There are still some features we need to bring to LV itself to make that become a reality but we’re already working on it and we hope we can get there soon.

josevalim

josevalim

Creator of Elixir

Correct! And Surface will likely just use Phoenix.Component too, so everything should be using the same abstractions.

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